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May 3, 2007 8:48:50 GMT 1
Post by admin on May 3, 2007 8:48:50 GMT 1
HI Kiel It's a little late for this election. What you need to do is contact your local voting office at your local council. If you go to the Birmingham council website. www.birmingham.gov.uk and follow the links they'll give you the contact details. Your household should get an electoral roll form to fill out each year, which automatically puts you on the voting register. however if you move in after this or get missed off the form (which I think might be illegal?) then you need to contact the council directly. bb Rhiannon
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May 3, 2007 16:06:12 GMT 1
Post by whitecoyote on May 3, 2007 16:06:12 GMT 1
OK, neutral hat on for a mo:
There is a procedure. Your council should send you a form each October asking who lives in your house. Fill it in and return it, and your local council will put you on the electoral register.
If you've moved since October, or didn't get a form, contact your local council. They update the electoral register once a month (so last changes for today's elections in Brum had to be in by the beginning of April).
Note - it's a good idea to be on the electoral register as some banks use this when drawing up your credit score (eg: has the person actually been living where they say they have).
If you've moved, but were registered at your old address, you can still go and vote at your old polling station.
You don't need your polling card to vote. It helps, but you don't actually need it.
Polls close at 10am this evening.
Regards,
White Coyote Neutral hat off...
PS: There now follows a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the....oh darn, I can feel people glaring at me, I'll shut up ;D
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May 4, 2007 9:22:06 GMT 1
Post by duane on May 4, 2007 9:22:06 GMT 1
voting is all fixed anyway, why bother?...
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May 4, 2007 10:20:02 GMT 1
Post by sleepyowl on May 4, 2007 10:20:02 GMT 1
When people try to rig votes they get investigated/arrested & the people who don't vote are the ones who actually make vote rigging possible.
There are too many people who say well I would vote for that party but they would never win & they want to vote for the same party & I'm thinking if you all got together & actually voted they might actually stand a chance, instead of just sitting around moping that the people they wanted to get to power when they have done jack shit to actually help them. No vote, no moaning on how shit things are.
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May 4, 2007 11:23:28 GMT 1
Post by Charlotte on May 4, 2007 11:23:28 GMT 1
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May 5, 2007 11:03:37 GMT 1
Post by duane on May 5, 2007 11:03:37 GMT 1
unless you think all party's arn't worth voting like myself.
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May 5, 2007 15:53:41 GMT 1
Post by ned on May 5, 2007 15:53:41 GMT 1
unless you think all party's arn't worth voting like myself. But not voting tends to give an impression of apathy or just plain old laziness rather than one of discontent with all potential recipients of your vote.
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May 5, 2007 17:15:19 GMT 1
Post by duane on May 5, 2007 17:15:19 GMT 1
dude i'm not denying i'm lazy .. but na I don't vote becasue as I said in MY opinion the voting system is fixed, they allow you to "vote" to make u think you have some sort of control of what happens however theres a "higher power" that put the goverment in control as long as they follow the "higher powers" orders
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May 5, 2007 18:36:34 GMT 1
Post by gwenifer on May 5, 2007 18:36:34 GMT 1
Duane, you are paranoid!!! You are also wrong, the voting system isn't fixed at all, its the ruling system that is fixed and takes some changing, but if you are never going to take part then you have no chance of changing anything. If the political parties are not offering you what you want or need then get in touch with them and pass on your views, talk to people.............
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May 5, 2007 22:47:00 GMT 1
Post by sleepyowl on May 5, 2007 22:47:00 GMT 1
And to give a protest you go to the polling station & write on your piece of paper I wouldn't vote for any of these arseholes even if they started gouging out my eyeballs with rusty spoons, or words to that effect. Not voting puts you in the apathy group not the protest group.
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May 6, 2007 10:28:28 GMT 1
Post by admin on May 6, 2007 10:28:28 GMT 1
Re not voting/spoiled papers/vote rigging. Given that 100,000 votes were "spoiled" in Scotland, and it was one of the excuses reasons given for the voting fiasco in the USA when George Bush got in by the skin of his teeth, perhaps there is something in it.
I can understand where Duane is coming from, but that wouldn't stop me voting. This country is run by Whitehall, not Parliament, and those people stay in power regardless of who wins the election. People who crave power and manipulation of the population aren't daft enough to put themselves at the mercy of the voters.
As for whethere there is any true freedom of thought - it's easy to tell who is going to win the next General Election. It will be whomever The Sun is supporting in the few weeks leading up to it.
Cynical?? Me???
Rhiannon
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May 8, 2007 11:27:57 GMT 1
Post by duane on May 8, 2007 11:27:57 GMT 1
I am paranoid becasue i'm speaking my opinion on the voting system?
this higher power I speak off are people that are already in power, and wont allow them to be taken away, as rhiannon said, they manipulate the system to suite there own needs, instead of what I or you want.
blair for example has promised us better hospital services, but has yet done so, it has taken several people speaking out load in public infront of him to get this accross to him, I remmber once, a year ago I believe, blair was being interviewed by a t.v prosenter, and a lady startted having ago at blair about his promises regarding hospitals, and of course lets not forget, if the goverment really cared about what we wanted, they wouldn't of got us involed in this damm war that our so called usa friends startted..
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hal
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May 9, 2007 12:29:19 GMT 1
Post by hal on May 9, 2007 12:29:19 GMT 1
I dont vote since none of the candidates have what I want
and duane fixing the healthcare system would be hard and would require even more tax rises which people would then bitch at
off topic {and yes the war was bad but tbh saddam shouldve been dealt with back in the gulf war or just not armed in the first place { Us armed him back in the day o how many problems do we have because of the Us arming people}
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May 9, 2007 22:05:00 GMT 1
Post by brumwolf on May 9, 2007 22:05:00 GMT 1
I think your hard pushed to compare the electorial fraud in the UK with the blatent vote rigging which occured in the states. One was a relativly localised fraud using postal voting. The other was a state funded exercise in discrimination of ethnic minorities and an abuse of the judicial system. In the states, well Florida really, what happened was wrong on so many levels. Firstly a law was passed which said that if you had been convicted of a crime, you could not vote. Even if that crime was years ago AND the person had served their time, thus paying their debt to society. Second, lists of people who had been in prison in other states was sent to Florida to find others who could be excluded. The method used to match the people was just the first name and surname. So Martin Smith born in 1962, who was convicted of a gun crime in Texas was matched to Martin Smith born in 1975 and never convicted of anything. Now before you say that "well he should have challenged the matching and forced to to allow him to vote". No. Because the state govenor of Florida ruled that Martin Smith born in 1975 would not actualy be told he could not vote until he tried, by which time it was too late. The net result of this was that around 70% of the none white voters in Florida who SHOULD have been able to vote were not allowed to vote. Another trick used was to tell people that they had to vote at place X. Place X was not a desicnated voting station so people were turning up to vote to find a closed building. Again, it was too late on the day to resolve the problem so anothe group of people could not vote. This is all before you get to the whole issues relating to the machines used to to punch out the vote which, statisticaly were more likly to be faulty in area which were more likly to vote Democrate then those which would vote Republic. How about the rigged postal votes which happened in Florida too? Makes what happened in Brum seem like just a group of folks having a larf. The UK system in flawed. But it no where near as corrupt or "rigged" as some would claim. With the exception of the recent postal voting issues which, frankly were just stupid, we have a prity good system. The only way the powers that be can manipulate the votes is either to move the electorial boundries (something which is rarely done), through argument/persuasion or through making people feel their vote is meaningless thus they don't vote. The principle reason why the elections in Scotland had so many spoilt papers was not though design but through incompitence. If it was design the Labour would not have lost. Instead it came from running one vote which was based on a proportional representation system (itself confusing) at the same time as a first past the post election. But again, if it was rigged as some would think then the powers that be would not have issued instructions to everyone on how to vote together with adverts in the press and notices in the polling stations (I personaly did not whitness the posters, but I called a friend in Scotland who saw them). Something else which everyone forgets is that if you know there has been fraud in the electorial system and the 100,000 people who voted for the Green Boggie Party should have actualy only been 100, it is possible for the courts to actualy track down those voters and ask them who they voted for and find out if the vote was rigged. Its quite simple how its done, every voting slip has a unique number on it which is matched against the electorial role. It does take, if I remember right, a High Court Judge (who incedently acts in the Queen name, NOT Government) to order such an action. Its happened before back in the 60;s. Regarding the power of "The Sun" and the other Murdocian press rags. That power is very much on the wain. Circulation of those "newspapers" is dropping, fast. 10 years ago, yes, The Sun could make or break an election and there is some argument that they could for the next election, but not really for much longer. More people turn to the internet for their news. And as we know, its far harder for a Citizen Kane to become a media mogul on the net. One final point. Consider this, IF there is some "higher power" controling what really happens, which can rig elections, decide on wars, raise hem lines, make tea go cold and all that. Surly exposing them will just mean they are going to come and get you, spirit you off and lock you away in a cell somewhere where your expose of their actions cannot be seen by anyone.................. Who knows, perhaps the internet is somekind of honey trap to entice those who know the truth to expose themselves and make it easyier for them to be rounded up.
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Kiel
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May 9, 2007 23:25:14 GMT 1
Post by Kiel on May 9, 2007 23:25:14 GMT 1
There are too many people who say well I would vote for that party but they would never win & they want to vote for the same party & I'm thinking if you all got together & actually voted they might actually stand a chance, instead of just sitting around moping that the people they wanted to get to power when they have done jack shit to actually help them. No vote, no moaning on how shit things are. A lot of people say its a two horse race between Labour and Conservative and casting a vote elsewhere is a waste. L and C are very much one in the same, however I think C are a little more untrustworthy, but my understanding of actual policies is next to none. However there is merit in voting for a minor influence party, and this is that more often than not, they represent an extreme view, Greens - environmental issues, BNP/National Front - Ra... *cough* immigration, UKIP - Anti EU etc, and if enough people show support the major parties conform to get the votes, much like the conservatives did to absorb national front supporters. Im not sure how it works, but doesnt scotland need 65% electoral vote, the SNP wont merge with lib dem as lib dem oppose seperation, but this leaves the greens.
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