hogbear
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Skyclad
Apr 21, 2004 22:36:24 GMT 1
Post by hogbear on Apr 21, 2004 22:36:24 GMT 1
if your asking my view on sky clad .. I don't have one as I am not a wiccan.
and if your asking wether I am subing for rhi no I am not but pick up your toys and start behaving like an adult and discuss things politly. cos if you want to practise bitchcraft with me ... believe me you would lose.
now how about staying on topic
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Skyclad
Apr 21, 2004 22:48:41 GMT 1
Post by him on Apr 21, 2004 22:48:41 GMT 1
mmm there seems to be a lot of squabbling in the playground children. What tradition do you follow Kevin?
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Skyclad
Apr 21, 2004 23:42:46 GMT 1
Post by Morco Tunstel on Apr 21, 2004 23:42:46 GMT 1
;D moco
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Skyclad
Apr 21, 2004 23:50:33 GMT 1
Post by him on Apr 21, 2004 23:50:33 GMT 1
Its too late for spelling mistakes,please forgive me
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sam
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Post by sam on Apr 22, 2004 0:05:59 GMT 1
right i am going to attempt to get this topic going again how many of us on here are initiated wiccans and have practised skyclad for years? and can you tell us your reasons? bb sam
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Post by Morco on Apr 22, 2004 0:20:39 GMT 1
Initiated Wiccans are few and far between and those that are get little or no respect from many "wouldbe Wiccans" out there in cloud cuckoo land?
Morco
"the truth hurts"
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Skyclad
Apr 26, 2004 15:20:02 GMT 1
Post by TheWatcher© on Apr 26, 2004 15:20:02 GMT 1
Does initiation preclude self initiation perchance?
Take initiation as an idea shall we, who are we initiating into and under what ausipices?
It's like asking if you have been christened or not isn't it.
I personally believe you don't need to be initiated to any other than the divine through a personal dedication ceremony given that the vast majority, i'd venture to say, are solitary practitioners, and I don't mean in a sexual way mind you.
You take your intent to follow a path of your choosing and then before your deities of choice make a commitment. Sure in a coven it is somewhat different and the degrees of initiation reflect your experience within that group but in the end the coven is subservient to the manifestation of your practice through your relationship with your deities I think.
If it makes you feel good or more powerful to feel you are initiated then whatever floats your boat aslong as it doesn't start a 'class' system thus seeing those who have not been initiated as inferior in practice or belief.
CCStoop©<br> opinionated bastard
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Skyclad
Apr 27, 2004 22:56:28 GMT 1
Post by Jaxom on Apr 27, 2004 22:56:28 GMT 1
I read the first post of this thread. Then I looked for all the dark warnings aginst Skyclad working and I can't find them on the boards. Am I going mad? or just thick? Jax
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Post by admin on Apr 28, 2004 9:12:07 GMT 1
Hi Jaxom
The "dark warnings" are on the Pagan Association website under the page about looking for a coven.
bb Rhiannon
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Skyclad
Apr 28, 2004 18:02:38 GMT 1
Post by ursus on Apr 28, 2004 18:02:38 GMT 1
It all depends on what path you follow if you call yourself Wiccan unless you are of the Seax tradition you must be initiated. End of story.
Morco
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Skyclad
Apr 28, 2004 19:02:15 GMT 1
Post by Deabolus on Apr 28, 2004 19:02:15 GMT 1
Greetings all I am Deabolus, not wanting to ruffle any feathers but... To my knowledge initiation is for those who seek to devote their lives to their chosen tradition and occult path instead of the eclectic "jack of all paths & master of none" part time Pagans who pick the crumbs from the masters table.
Its my oppinion! ;D
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Skyclad
Apr 28, 2004 23:20:09 GMT 1
Post by admin on Apr 28, 2004 23:20:09 GMT 1
I agree with you Deabolus - initiation is a huge step and can cause massive life changes and bring serious issues to the fore. It's not a step to be taken lightly and definitely involves more than sitting in a park meditating for a couple of hours and proclaiming that you're initiated. I personally think initiation has to be "into" something, whether that be a coven, a working group or a magical order or temple. I think it gets confused with the sometimes intense mystical experiences that we can reach alone - that is not initiation, that is more an awakening of the awareness, and can happen spontaneously at any time. I believe initiation is also more than a ceremony - going through the motions may get the "badge" but it doesn't mean that you "become".
However, perhaps we should start another thread as we're moving off the original skyclad theme?
bb Rhiannon
bb Rhiannon
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Post by TheWatcher© on Apr 29, 2004 2:04:28 GMT 1
"Jack of all paths" is a goodun ;D
Firstly, the experiences brought about by choosing to follow or craft your chosen path will bring serious issues to the fore and life changes. The whole of your spiritual practice will have brought you to the point where you may decide to become initiated and I don't think sitting in a park and meditating for a couple of hours cuts it or is indicative of what goes on tho if you've seriously tried to meditate for a couple of hours I'll take my hat off to you, don't underestimate its difficulty.
Secondly, you've basically done is call into question the experiences of those who have done self initiation and the intent behind it which cannae be right surely. Is it a two tier spiritual practice where those who have been initiated in a coven, temple or wimbush the bakers are far superior to those who follow a solitary practice? If it is a badge that is required then dress accordingly and if it is becoming which you desire then walk the walk which I think you'll find quite a few of the majority of pagans who are 'serious' about their practice do irrespective of a solitary practitioner or a coven affiliation/membership/visitors pass.
Back to "Jack"
One thing which galls me is the "if you aren't in my team you don't know what you are talking about" attitude, the spiritual snobbishness where one branch of a tree looks down on another branch where infact they both feed off the same root system. "Jack of all paths & master of none" has it's benefits for what you get is a breadth, a bigger picture, an openness to experience new and exciting opportunities to learn and grow and NOT a narrow focus. It isn't crumbs which are taken for that insinuated there is a starving man in need of them. Rather it is the useful bits which are taken and like little pieces of clay they are added to the framework and moulded into this craven image called eclectic which seems to have such negative connotations attached to it. We use thats for sure, we experiment and also disgard but that comes from application of what we learn and learning what works and what doesn't for us rather than grafting on a schema of someone elses making. Knowledge is power only when it is applied and wisdom comes from knowing what works for you and what doesn't.
Part time Pagan is a wonderful stereotype and like most stereotypes are an indication of seeing a lable rather than seeing the person but as you said it is only your opinion Deabolox ;D if the "master" has some crumbs then be sure to scoop them up for fear of some nair-do-well eclectic feeding them to the pigeons.
CCStoop©<br> what you think you see is only your reality and not someone elses, remember that
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Skyclad
Apr 29, 2004 14:42:52 GMT 1
Post by Deabolus on Apr 29, 2004 14:42:52 GMT 1
;)Dearest poopastoop, it is so obvious that you have never found those who would think you adept enough to join the coven! You can "PUSSY" foot around with your: If you dont accept me I`ll make it up traditions but in order to gain "REAL KNOWLEDGE" (you know the stuff that really works as opposed to the made up fluffy bunny, crystal brigades pretendaspells knowledge) You need to be with and a part of those who`s knowledge has been handed down and kept pure! Those that have a real connection. Those "really" in the know! You sound like the many who "SAY" they have done this and that? Those who would have others think they are the "bees knees" A Witchy Guru of the highest order. This is why you can never find that "Coven" BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOTALY MISSED THE POINT so old and yet so unwise? You should take a long look at yourself? stop trying to joke your way into the place you so desire! "There are none so blind as they who will not see"
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Skyclad
Apr 29, 2004 15:33:27 GMT 1
Post by admin on Apr 29, 2004 15:33:27 GMT 1
I've started a new thread on initiation or not so can we move the discussion to there please. I'm going to lock this thread just to ensure the move happens - if anyone wants to continue the skyclad thread then please start a new one.
Thanks.
Rhiannon
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