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Post by phil on Oct 25, 2008 18:10:47 GMT 1
Saturday 1st November at Wulfrun hall,Wolves Civic,North street Wolverhampton WV1 1RG.
West Midland VEGAN FESTIVAL for world vegan day This should be an enjoyable and educational day out with over
40 stalls selling ethical clothing & footwear,crueltty free cosmetics,
vegan chocolates,vegan phish n chips, vegan creme eggs & lots of eco/ethical products.
Cookery demos & talks on: going vegan for the planet, vegan nutrition,stock free organic farming, home made cosmetics & skin care products, the truth about free range and a talk by Sea Shepherd Conservatoin Society.
There should be free food samples and a bar & cafe with live music and a clown to entertain the kids.
All this for £1 entry under 16s free.
Are there any vegans on here? or am i the only bisexual,pagan ,vegan in the village?
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Post by phil on Oct 26, 2008 11:52:44 GMT 1
I had this at Bristol vegan festival ,the phish is some kinda textured soya with seaweed "skin" in batter. It tasted how i remember fish to taste but i havent had fish for 30 years so i dont really know. Went well with chips n mushy peas.
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Post by moonsmith on Oct 26, 2008 13:09:23 GMT 1
I'm a committed omnivore but I don't see why the phish shouldn't work. How often does fried food taste of the fried batter more than anything else. BTW - While I doubt that I could ever adapt to a vegetarian diet but I AM cutting down on the number of meals I have that contain meat. This is simply because meat production isn't a useful way of using land that could produce cerials. Besides I love a plate of roast veg! I'm not suggesting that we try and get a combined harvester up the sides of the Welsh vallys or up Kinderscout. That is where herbed lamb is MEANT to grow. But we shouldn't be growing beef on the Cheshire plain - its not energy efficient and it is a huge methane producer - far more dangerous to the ozone layer than CO2 from my exhaust pipe. However a high veg diet means that I produce the methane instead of the cow! As always - nothing is simple.
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Post by admin on Oct 27, 2008 9:41:50 GMT 1
I really enjoy eating vegan food, a lot of it has some amazing flavours. I'm not sure what we're up to this weekend but I will mention it to Martin as something we could do. Think I'll leave my seal skin coat at home though!
I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian, but I was a piscetarian until about the age of 24.
Pat - I have heard the 'cows produce more greenhouse gases than cars' argument, but it must be remembered that their gas comes from the gases absorbed by the plants they eat. As these are mostly short term plants, i.e. grasses, etc. the effective contribution to the total greenhouse gases is zero, whereas cars emit greenhouse gases which have been stored up over millenia.
Rhiannon
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Post by moonsmith on Oct 27, 2008 20:52:59 GMT 1
Wish that it were so Rhiannon.
But
Dairy herds are a major contributor to greenhouse gases.
Feel free to miss this bit
The chemical plant that is the cow's stomach does some complex chemistry. The substance of the grass comes from Carbon dioxide CO2 and Water H2O in the main via sunlight / photosynthesis producing plant sugars [C6H12O6] added to nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus from the soil. These produce the lignins and proteins of the cells. The grass is constructed of some complex carbohydrates among other things.
Start again here :-)
Then the cow eats it.
The digestive process breaks the plant cells [made of those complex materials] down by a different route producing methane - CH4 - which is lighter than air. Its a brand new greenhouse gas that wasn't there before - EVER. The cow made it out of the "stuff - see above" of the grass. I'm not saying methane wasn't on earth before but the gas emerging from the cow's bum is brand new methane.
Sorry - I'm involved in reducing a methane derivative vented by the factory at which I work. If I'm wrong here please someone put me right - I'm remembering boi-chem lessons from 45 years ago :-(
I do not know if anyone has looked at the earths climate in the days when all the major land masses were roamed by vast herds of saurian and much later mammalian herbivores.
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Post by Kiel on Oct 27, 2008 22:54:32 GMT 1
yea but you can stop using a car, the only way you can stop a cow producing gas is to kill it.
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Post by moonsmith on Oct 27, 2008 23:32:04 GMT 1
Or maybe breed fewer of them!
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Post by phil on Oct 30, 2008 22:01:23 GMT 1
OR stop eating them , wearing them and drinking their lactation and dont breed any at all.
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Post by sleepyowl on Oct 31, 2008 11:00:45 GMT 1
After all there is no such thing as a wild cow, they are an early genetic experiment that has sustained us for millenia
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Post by matt on Oct 31, 2008 11:49:00 GMT 1
Wild? They were livid! (With thanks to the joke recycling department at Not the 9 O'Clock news tee hee)
Actually, Aurochs (Bos Taurus Primigenius) were almost certainly the wild ancester of the domestic cow (Bos Taurus) and probably evolved about 2M years BCE in India, considerably earlier (by an order of magnitude or two) than we started domesticating them. Wild Aurochs became extinct some 300 or so years ago, but they were around for quite a while, and in significant numbers.
It would also probably be a fairly bad idea to remove a grazing animal on the scale of cattle. We really have no idea of the environmental impact that would have. A better solution may be the research into Kangaroos (they don't fart - no really, look it up!)
Just tidying up a bit, sorry
Matt
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Post by sleepyowl on Nov 12, 2008 14:24:59 GMT 1
1627 was the last one
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Post by Syrbal on Nov 13, 2008 13:18:28 GMT 1
You may be interested that aurochs have been back-bred from domestic cattle (although they seemed a little smaller than expected). You can see them in southern Belgium in the wonderful Han-sur-Lesse wildlife park. This park has just original European animals from early on, including brown bears, wolves, wild boar, lots of types of deer and Przlowki (sp?) horses. They take you round on a safari truck - no private motors allowed. Also nearby are the wonderful caves. Terrific stuff!
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Post by sleepyowl on Nov 13, 2008 15:03:30 GMT 1
przewalski's horse
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Post by Syrbal on Nov 14, 2008 12:06:55 GMT 1
Thanks - it wasn't in the on-line dictionary!
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Post by sleepyowl on Nov 14, 2008 13:04:36 GMT 1
Sorry for the nature geekery
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