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Post by slytherinlass on Apr 24, 2008 9:34:28 GMT 1
What are your views on this? ( no flaming please!)
1/2 of my lectures are not in today ( fine by me i finish early to be honest!)
the Lectures and teachers are complaining that they don’t get a "professional" wage and according to the hand out we were given It says college principals are given High pay rises and teh teachers get nothing in return. they say that there salaries aren’t enough to Work with the increase of cost of living expenses.
---------------- My view is that i Like the fact the lecturers are taking yet another day off gives me more time to slob around how ever Being a teacher is one of the highest paid jobs around, you never see a scummy looking ''Cant afford to feed my self" teacher?
now i can only use this as an example to show you what Im talking about the Teachers complain that they get 30,000 a year and have effectively half a year off in holiday periods, time to spend with there children and yes work to take home To do at there leisure What Threats dose this teacher get yes disruptive behaviours from students Aggressive students blah blah blah.
A chef, 5 pound an hour ( £8 if very lucky!), Gets cut burned scalded EVERY working day. Gets home Cant be arsed to cook for them self because they’ve been cooking and effectively eating via tasting food all day. being a chef is not as glamorous as it looks you work in sweaty kitchens with high pressure in demand on the foods quality quantity and speed Each time a customer complains it’s a mark against the chef who made the meal ( and lest face it some customers Just like complaining for no reason inperticular i like to call this small man syndrome) The chef that doesn’t get time to eat breakfast and cat find time in the day to cook for him self Who get IBS from stressful working conditions and Bad eating patterns takes home on average on a good week 200 quid a week. unless they make it in a real big food restaurant or gamble opening there own.
A chef will work Xmas day new years and So on so forth.
these are both professional careers, that Quite a few people find scummy how ever to go in to a profession one of the first things you research is the wage packet and if you can live on it.... and a Teacher told me that allot of people in both careers love there job,
Or perhaps Christmas Week All the chefs should go on strike?
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Post by wolfie on Apr 24, 2008 18:01:09 GMT 1
Wasn't the pay settlement reached via an independant review? If so, I don't agree with the teachers strike.
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Post by glyn on Apr 24, 2008 18:02:15 GMT 1
You know I am sick of hearing the 'they get all these holidays' shit. Have you people, who think that, any idea of a teachers job? For every hour teaching there is four hours preparation just for the lesson, then there is the organisation of materials / technical assistance depending on what subject you are teaching. Then there is the evaluation of the lesson, preparation for testing / exams, meetings, organising trips to museums, other educational trips and the paperwork, oh god the paperwork!!! I was an adult tutor for nearly ten years, I gave up because of the sheer amount of paperwork to be filled in at the end of the days work. NONE OF WHICH YOU ARE PAID FOR!! As it can't be done in school time. Teachers with an easy life, who are you kidding? On top of this they are more likely to get beaten up, injured or have nervous breakdowns than most other occupations. So don't give me shit about teachers having long holidays, most of them have to work through holidays just to get the job doen.
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Post by Butterfly on Apr 24, 2008 18:46:14 GMT 1
personally, i think they have an extremely hard job, i find 2 teenagers hard work, but a class of 30! No thankyou, more money, they deserve a medal! X
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Post by slytherinlass on Apr 25, 2008 11:20:49 GMT 1
What you need to also realsie is not all teachers Prepare there lessons most of mine improvise
Again it was thiere teachers choise to go in to it
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Post by glyn on Apr 25, 2008 20:07:53 GMT 1
As a qualified tutor myself I will say that there is no way you can improvise a lesson if you don't know your stuff. Most lessons might look improvised but they are NOT, they have to be planned, timed and evaluated. Slytherinlass, you are the wrong side of the fence to have any idea how much work goes into teaching and much too young to appreciate that it is not so much a job as a calling. Maybe you could try asking a few teacher to explain their weeks/weekends work and you just might appreciate that you could not be studying if there were no teachers.
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Post by ursidae on Apr 25, 2008 22:19:17 GMT 1
As a fully vocational and NVQ assessor I support the teachers strike.
Imporvised lessons just don't work, besides which any teacher that relied on these would automatically any review by their department and more importantly Ofsted.
I once worked in a centre that was on the brink of losing it's accreditation before I joined. When the awarding body visited, the first thing wanted was schemes of work, lessons plans, assessment schedules and that was before they looked at any actual live teaching.
The only thing I would say is that I disagree with the disparaity between the rates of pay for teachers and vocational assessors. They have essentially identical roles yet a teacher will earn 25 - 30k where a vocational assessor will usually only earn 15 - 18k.
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Post by slytherinlass on Apr 26, 2008 12:45:35 GMT 1
Maybe you could try asking a few teacher to explain their weeks/weekends work and you just might appreciate that you could not be studying if there were no teachers.
We have asked One lecturer goes down to cornwall every weekend to see his parents the other we have conversations about where we went clubbingon the weekend and Kevin our math teacher Relly dose improvise he coems to lesson and says '' rigth i havent got nay work f for you so im goign to the libuary to find soemthign for you to do' I have stopped goign to his lectures hes messed our work up sooo bady
We had some corse workover Christmas for keyskills, And i have dyscaclulas ( struggle to count over 100) so i have a private tutor who Relly Put teh effort in helping me compleate my corsework and even aranged an extended deadline so i hand it in and kevin said 'yeh aok corse works in now, no need to come any more youve finished teh course
So i goout for a fag mid week this week and he comes trottig over 'oh sam i gave teh wrong course work assignment out over christmas i have to give every one more to do so now so you need to come back to lessons again so i turn up tothe lesson and he says' oh yhea i haven finished writing up teh new assignment go hoem come back nextt week'
Thsi pissed meoff greatly as i go to meet my boyfriend for lunch of fridays iff i hadent have waited around for kevins lesson i could hhave been having lucnch with my boyfriend
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Post by merrybel on Apr 27, 2008 10:19:55 GMT 1
Sorry, but your lecturers sound like a load of pants and if you have any problems you should complain to the college. Where is it, so I can avoid sending my children there.
Teachers do one of the most valuable jobs of the community. They are preparing young people for life - to cure the sick, to run the country (O.K. point taken), to be a part of society. You cannot compare them to a chef, which in my mind is a luxury profession. We don't need restaurant food to live. I am fully behind the teachers strike - my child was off school for two days, and I had no problem (although I appreciate people who work would struggle). They do a really difficult job and should be paid in accordance with that.
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Post by Butterfly on Apr 27, 2008 12:23:22 GMT 1
Here Here! XX
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Post by assoki on Apr 27, 2008 13:16:01 GMT 1
I Am completely on the side of the teachers without the teachers we wouldn't be posting on this forum.
A friend of mine is a teacher and he works long hours often starting the day 8-830 finishing at 5-6 he often takes work home in the 'holidays'. because he has to. He regularly has tension headaches because of the stress.
Teachers can't take time off other than the school holidays so they can't book a few days when it gets to much like the rest of us.
And its not just this year they have had a bad pay deal, for the last few years their pay rise has been below inflation and with everything else on the rise they are getting less and less Disposable income. And lets face it we all want to be able to go on holidays and buy nice things thats why we get an education
I for one wouldn't want to do it!
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Post by sleepyowl on Apr 27, 2008 17:15:17 GMT 1
My sister used to teach English & she used to work one hell of a lot & stopped coming to moots because of it, she is now an educational psychologist which still involves a lot of hours but no where near as much as what she did as a teacher, I agree with the strike whole-heartedly as my sister worked in one of the rougher schools of the area
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Post by nephilimrising on Apr 28, 2008 19:45:24 GMT 1
I can kind of understand where the teachers are coming from. I guess it all depends on what you are studying at university. I'm at university myself, and i've recently helped out some lecturers by doing some teaching sessions ... we taught 60 students in a week, which means we did 5 sessions of the same lecture, for just one group of the year. Bearing in mind it took about 6 weeks to prepare all in all, for one lecture. Now consider that in the broader spectrum, these lecturers are teaching about 4 cohorts of nursing students, with i'd say maybe 400 people in each. Thats a hell of a lot of work, we finished the simulation sessions about 4 weeks ago, and i've been on annual leave, yet we have assignments to mark!! It's a hell of a lot of work. I'm not saying the teachers are dreadfully underpaid, but I can appreciate the amount of work that goes into planning their lectures and how stressful it is.
But hell thats just my opinion : o )
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Post by slytherinlass on Apr 29, 2008 0:00:33 GMT 1
Currently Studying at MBC ( matthew boulton) will be studyigntehre again next year only HND next year at Milenium point as aposed to the MBC Campus they are oenof teh best for graphics
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Post by wolfie on Apr 29, 2008 9:44:16 GMT 1
Everyone appears to be dancing around the issue here. No one is disputing the value of their work or their commitment to their work. No is disputing the excessive work load either.
But, and it does seem to be just me (hey I don't mine being a black sheep) who does not agree with this strike. Let me explain why.
The pay settlement comes from a number of unions discussing what the settlement should be. One union did not agree. They balloted their members and the result was LESS then a quarter of their members. That's 1 in 10 of the teachers.
That's hardly representative. For that reason and that reason alone I disagree with disrupting a childs education.
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