pub mangers are ass-----

[duane]

Depending on which brewery it was, (and there's not much difference between them) there is little point in doing more than asking for a written apology and a written confirmation that it will not affect any future applications to other pubs in the same chain. You can't sue for discrimination as you have to have been employed by them for at least two years previous to the discrimination. At one time you could complain to the job centre but they don't do anything now.
Unfortunately there is little that can be done as they always have the 'it was a personality clash' or 'you were just not suitable' as you were not an employee.

but gwen I was there to be trainned, and you should beable to sue for discrimination no matter where you are.

Perhaps next time taking a comb, arriving a good 15 minutes early and making sure your hair is not 'lil scruffy'. For any public facing job appearence is paramount. It does not matter if its working in a pub, a shop or behind a counter at a post office, appearance accounts for 90% of the

I did arrive about half an hour erlye and was told to come back at 11 as the manger wern't there (my hair was tidy then btw)

it just really me of. and i'm going to have words with the people that sent me there about sending my class mate in the same enviroment knowing full well what the manger was like. cuz he treated her like crap.

[gwenifer]

Sorry Duane but the law says if you aren't already employed you can't be discriminated against, thank Maggie Thatcher for that law.

[admin]

It's still worth complaining to the brewery or pub owners. It may be as simple as the manager needing to go on a diversity course or someone bringing it up at his appraisal, or whatever it is that is used to keep an eye on the careers of pub managers.

At the very least, Duane and his sister will feel like they have done something to address such discrimination, rather than sitting and taking it meekly.

[duane]

my sister's manger is talking to the brewery of the shakespear on my behalf to see what actions I can take. I would of thought that I could sue them for breech of the confidental act TWICE i might add.

[admin]

Hi Duane

There is no "confidential" act. If the pub manager wants to slag off your appearance to others he is perfectly at liberty to do so. Of course, you could possibly sue him for slander, but there is no legal aid for either slander or libel, so unless you've got a £100,000 or so in the bank, no solicitor is going to do anything. Of course, there are some solicitors who will write letters on legal aid but they're not worth the paper they're written on, and there is some doubt as to whether solicitors should be writing letters when cases haven't got a chance of coming to court.

Put it down to experience, buy a comb and a tie. Once you've made your complaint to the pub chain head office there's not a lot else you can do.

Which pub was it? We can always choose to boycott it then ourselves.

bb
Rhiannon

[duane]

oh well,

it was the shakespear in town center, just on the top of new street.

[gwenifer]

Most pub managers have a financial stake in their pubs, although the brewery own it the manager will have paid a substantial sum to have the tenancy. There is, as far as I know, (and I have worked in pubs and clubs over the last 30 years) no appraisal or indeed any diversity or other training for managers, apart from the run of the mill business training. The only appraisal that is required is to boost the takings of the tenancy that the manager happens to have, sorry but apart from extra money the breweries couldn't give a hoot. You still need to write to the brewery though and ask for what I said earlier, if you ever want to work in a pub you need their WRITTEN answer to use if you are interviewed at another pub, whether it's the same chain or another brewery.
DON'T contact the manager of the pub whatever you do, he will just see you as a trouble - maker and you will get blacklisted (unofficially) and won't ever get a job in a pub or catering. Remember that pub managers socialise rather more than you think they would and are pretty quick to pass on information about people who have applied for and failed to get jobs in their pubs.