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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2007 1:17:55 GMT 1
What do you mean end up Rhi? On topic, I have to agree that dogs off the lead are a real pain. My boy is reasonably well trained, but is quite large and quite aggressive when out with my wife (deliberately so) and is never off the lead in public. He doesn't cope well with other dogs running up to him for a sniff, and I get the dirty looks when he growls at them, but all he is doing is defending his pack leaders. I have had quite a few rows about this with other dog owners, and it comes down to the same thing, if you want to run your dog off the lead thats fine as long as long as you are prepared to accept the consequences of your actions, which could be the dog being put down if it flips out. Personally I am not prepared to take that risk with my boy so he stays on the lead.
Having said that, I'll be fine once I get his dogcart
Matt
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Post by amonet on Jun 23, 2007 9:33:01 GMT 1
Only reason why we would be at the top would be becasue we have tools to help us. If we took those away we would find that we arn't very high up in the chain.
Anyway back to dog attacks.
Lets not forget what a Dog really is, a wild animal, an animal that was brought into a human home and treated like a slave I say slave because thats what they really are.
Saying they are pets or guard dogs is just an escuse to have them with us. Never forget the fact that they are wild.
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Post by wyrdewood on Jun 23, 2007 10:00:01 GMT 1
I think there is a vast difference between breeds of dog. I mean, some dogs breeds have been shamelessly bred over centuries as killing machines. They are cross bred because of their aggressive temperament combined with physical strength. It seems mad that these breeds are now being introduced into domestic environments. Okay, most might be well controlled by their owners but when one in a million of these dogs flips out, do you want to be the parent of another statistical child death? And what annoys me more is the denial, by the owners, of this fact. Even when they have names like, "Staffordshire Bull terrier" (a dog specifically bred to kill bulls and bears) they cannot see it. This dog was bred to have a particularly strong neck and bite. Strong enough to withstand the bite of a rampaging bear. What chance does a human have against that? The are genetically coded to kill. Mess with Mother and you pay the price. I apologise if this sounds a bit like a rant but, trust me, I speak from experience.
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Post by amonet on Jun 25, 2007 9:18:29 GMT 1
Don't forget people are treating animals like crap everyday so thats considered slavery, also don't forget that slavery can come to us in many forms, entertainment is one.
thats becasue we've taken away there hunting skills.
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Post by ozymandias on Jun 25, 2007 12:28:30 GMT 1
Don't forget people are treating animals like crap everyday so thats considered slavery, also don't forget that slavery can come to us in many forms, entertainment is one. Indeed! We're being enslaved by Emo groups and gameshow hosts, and it's perfectly fair to compare the impact of an average Hollywood blockbuster bore on the mass media consumer's psyche with, say, a slave merchant ship throwing their cargo overboard in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Or the multi-million footballers' contracts with sweatshop workers illegally smuggled into the country. Please mind your definitions, amonet, lest your argument be weakened by ill-made similes. As for dogs as slaves: well, if I stop with the tummyrubs I get bossily growled at every time until I continue. Makes you wonder who domesticated whom.
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Post by amonet on Jun 25, 2007 13:33:04 GMT 1
thats because the dog is used to it and then once its used to somthing it'll keep the habit. Plus by keeping what you've said in mind, you've trained the dog to act like that.
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Post by hexx on Jun 25, 2007 18:15:35 GMT 1
I won't lie I haven't read all of the other posts but have read enough to get the gist of things, and I have to agree with whoever said it that dogs are still wild animals and never really will become completely tame. I understand that in most cases the dogs owners can be blamed or in some cases even the victim of attack but recently I saw a rottweiler attack a man without provocation and knowing the owners of the dog can say the animal was very well treated. Don't get me wrong I like dogs I don't have one because I have a small daughter and don't fully trust them but when she is older and I know she wont torment it I would like a dog, until then however I'll stick to the snake.
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