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Post by wyrdewood on May 12, 2007 10:10:17 GMT 1
What about miscarriage of justice though. George Davis and William Hanratty are just two people who were victims of this. In both cases the jury made the right decision based on the evidence put forward. However, in both cases, the police and CPS held back on vital evidence that would have aquitted them. Therefore, whilst I am happy for 12 of my peers to judge me, it does not necessarily mean I will get a fair trial. I am not on trial by the way. I Just wanted to make a point. (Looks guilty and retreats )
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Post by duane on May 12, 2007 11:43:03 GMT 1
good point wyrdewood, i agreee with that, and thats exactly why I wont go on the jury stand
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Post by Nova on May 12, 2007 12:28:36 GMT 1
If you wish to be exempted from service, you need to write in advance or go to the court at the time stated on the jury summons. Ask the court officials to inform the court of your reason for wanting to be excused. The court will then decide whether you have a valid reason not to serve.
In a case involving terrorism or national security, the background of the potential juror may be vetted - usually by the police. If the juror refuses to serve because of objections to vetting, they may be guilty of "contempt of court", so I would guess if you have no valid reason for refusing and do not turn up, this also applies?
Karen
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Post by brumwolf on May 12, 2007 12:34:05 GMT 1
So what you are basicly saying is that you are all for laws but you want nothing to do with their application and enforcement? Ok I can live with that. If I see someone kicking the crap out of you in the street I'll let them get on with it, when asked by the police I will do what the 3 wise monkeys did and hear no, see no and speak no. If I whitness your house being robbed then, fine, I'll just sit back and watch you being burgled. If I see you being ripped off in shops in town, I will say nothing. Because to do other wise would be to pass judgement and as you say, thats wrong. On the subject of miscarrages of justice. Are you seriously saying that because of the possiblity of mistakes you want no part in justice? Hello. You do that sort of thing everyday. Its called living. You wake up in the morning, you have a choise, open your eye or stay closed. You have a choise get out of bed or stay in bed. Have toast or cerial. Walk or drive. Walk on one side of the road or the other. Have tea of coffie................
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Post by brumwolf on May 12, 2007 12:39:37 GMT 1
Just one other thing, you have a job interview. Did it occure to you that in the interview you are asking someone to pass judgement on you? What happens if you get into a possition of hiring and firing?
Your gona have to pass judement on someone then.
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Post by wyrdewood on May 12, 2007 13:06:21 GMT 1
When it comes to someone being attacked or their property damaged, I would come to someone's aid. This has nothing to do with law, but everything to do with protection of innocence. The choices we make about breakfast, travel , etc are personal choices and do not involve others. And ironically,I got so fed up with being judged at work that I went self employed! I am not saying that we shouldn't make judgements but that we must be aware that the system is often flawed and unjust.
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Post by brumwolf on May 12, 2007 14:11:57 GMT 1
The choices we make about breakfast, travel , etc are personal choices and do not involve others. Really? Do you want to rethink that in the context of how it affects the enviroment? Last I checked the choises we make on a daily basis DO affect everyone. Take for example "do I have sugar in my tea". That sugar has to be shipped from somewhere. The shipping process causes pollution which adds to the damage being caused to the enviroment. Damage which..... dun dun derrrrrr affects everyone. So no I don't accept that there is a diffence between passing a judgement call on one thing is different to another. The system may have its flaws, but is it unjust? I'm not sure you could argue that one because if it was unjust then the injustice which occured would not have been reported and most certainly would not have been corrected. Wether it was sufficiently corrected or if it was corrected in a timly manner is again a different argument.
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Post by admin on May 13, 2007 1:01:59 GMT 1
From a personal point of view, I think education is the key.
I don't mean education as in O-levels (or whatever they're called these days), but seeking out the facts, seeking out different points of view, and then deciding where our own morals lead us.
For instance (and totally off topic) I know both sides of the fur for fashion debate and can argue my point for either side, regardless of where I choose to sit in the debate.
So all I can say is educate yourself with the facts, look at both sides of the argument, make allowance for personal prejudice and then decide where you want to be.
bb Rhiannon
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