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Post by Jaxom on May 3, 2004 20:05:13 GMT 1
Sensible discussion is good. name calling and cheep pot shots are not. Deabolus returning to the board would be good if he was willing to discuss paths in an adult way. atacks will always be met with defence by others. regardless of their chosen path. However anyone who acts as a "Troll" just for the kicks of stiring up discord is distructive to the group as a whole. who wish this board, a strong and productive future. Unfortunately I have seen a few boards decend into arguments started by "Trolls" and fundimentalists of a Christian nature who only want to spread discord and atack the Pagan Comunity. As a result of these things genuine seekers and interested Pagans stop visiting the boards and the boards sometimes die from lack of positive life. Heated Debate is good. name calling is not. However debating with a "Troll" nerver works in a positive way. It stops sensible discussion on other topics as well as the thread that the debate is on. Think of all the sensible discussion we could have together learning about each others chosen paths if we were not having a discussion about Deabolus. I do belive that this thread was "Initiation - necessary or not?" Would anyone like to post on "Initiation - necessary or not?" I know that Gardnarian and Alexandrian Wicca demand initiation and most people know quite a lot about Wicca. i would love to know a little about others paths?# Were you initiated into your path? Did you carry out a self Initiation? Do you regret Initiation? Have you changes your path somewhat since your Initiation? Hoping for knowledge from others who walk their own paths. Bright Blesings to this Board, Forum and the folks on this Group who also seek and thirst for knowledge. Jaxom
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Post by Jaxom on May 3, 2004 22:55:08 GMT 1
Are we going to talk about "Initiation - necessary or not?" Love and light to all Jax
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Post by TheWatcher© on May 4, 2004 0:22:51 GMT 1
I think that the subject of Initiation will always be a bone of contention between those of an Alexandrian/Gardnarian persuasion + others and those of an opposing view.
Perhaps an Initiated Alexandrian/Gardnarian would like to briefly share their experience of Initiation and how you felt before and after and what difference it has made to their lives? No secrets need be imparted just a personal experience.
CCStoop©<br> so protected that he wears an all-body condom
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Post by admin on May 4, 2004 9:11:32 GMT 1
*Dons Sgt. Mjr outfit*
Right you 'orrible lot!!!!!
If you can't play nice you're not going to get to play at all. I've been through the thread and removed ALL off topic postings. If you want to trade insults please do it elsewhere.
Thankyou
Rhiannon
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Post by eliphaslevi on May 4, 2004 10:29:41 GMT 1
This thread was read over 650 times and really got the board off the ground!
Lets hope it now does not decend into twee mutual back slapping and glib comic referance
or fingers will be very quickly directed to the back of the ones throat!
Eliphas Levi
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Post by admin on May 4, 2004 11:12:00 GMT 1
Eliphas - whilst it might have got the boards "going" it was for all the wrong reasons. I'd prefer to have a few postings which are well thought out than provocation for the sake of it.
Why appeal to the lowest common denominator? If you wish to start a new thread about this then please do so. Otherwise I'll send Martin around to eat all your marshmallows!!
bb Rhiannon
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Post by eliphaslevi on May 4, 2004 12:00:55 GMT 1
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Post by TheWatcher© on May 5, 2004 0:31:57 GMT 1
The trade of insults is one that goes back many centuries and it's coinage is that of ridicule and contempt. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone... oi not you jesus.. Personally I think it is good to have a healthy discussion which I have heard termed as is a common striving for truth as opposed to an arguement which is seen as a clash of egos. For a discussion to flow what is necessary is a flexibility in those parties involved to be open to reflect and question based on the points raised rather than to bullishly sit and defend a position that was never attacked only questioned. The 'Deabolus' affair was an instance of someone being an arse and expelling forth all the verbal diarrhea at their command with the intention of trying to undermine. I responded thinking maybe they were worth an attempt at 'connecting' with instead of 'taking it on the chin' (and that isn't a porno flick reference). It seems to me that bolting the stable door once the horse has bolted is one approach of censorship however i would have much preferred a situation where the horse was put down painlessly with a bit of friendly fire (any americans in the forum cover your ears) instead of feeling the need to respond to the witterings of a deranged half-wit. I mean if I didn't respond I'd be a wuss wouldn't I? That being said I just thought the whole thing hillarious and i'm typing for the sake of it as I lurve the sound of my own voice. I have posted quite a few things on the Initiation thread and would appreciate some feedback on them, especially the possibility of someone who has been Initiated expressing what difference it has made to them. CCStoop©<br> to err is human, to forgive is weakness (of bladder)
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Post by eliphaslevi on May 5, 2004 10:20:15 GMT 1
ccstoop wrote: In his first reply to Deabolus
it is only your opinion Deabolox
This was after Deabolus had said that it was just his opinion so you ending your post with the "NAME CALLING" started the ball rolling but it seems that he got the blame ?
Rhiannon said that the thread should be kept to without the causing shit for shit sake
IF YOU BLAME DEABOULUS THEN YOU ARE JUST AS BAD So keep to the topic, speak English, and remember if wit was shit...........!!! it must be living with all those sheep? ;D
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Post by TheWatcher© on May 5, 2004 16:15:40 GMT 1
Dear EliphasLevi (oooh the word games to be made of so many names, resist, resist!!) Nice use of capital letters, very effective and dramatic I must say. I'll keep this in English for you just to make you happy. If in a posting of 468 words there was only one to be of a nature to cause offence (given he in the very next post went poopastoop which I didn't find offensive atall) then the pen is truly mightier than the sword. If I give a man a box of matches to play with he'll act responsibly enough, maybe make matchstick men or burnt toothpicks but give a child a box of matches then be sure to increase the house insurance. Instead of picking on one word which may/may not (delete where appropriate) have been a freudian slip see beyond it, see the bigger picture and lighten up. Start a thread on Gripes & Moans if it so pleases you however if you read most of the postings on this thread which survive the culling you'll see I'm actually talking about Initiation. CCStoop©<br> having a strop.. NOT <--- see the capital letters for effect
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Post by eliphaslevi on May 5, 2004 18:27:05 GMT 1
If Poopastoop did not cause offence then why mention it?
Lots of words off the thread?
loads of inadequate puerile word play?
how sad is counting words!!!
THE THREADS ABOUT INITIATION DONT YA KNOW! Not how much verbal diarrhoea you can dribble to try and hide the fact that you started the shit!
IN-IT -IA -TI -ON..... OK?
How difficult is that?
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Post by ursus on May 5, 2004 18:54:29 GMT 1
In a Seax Wiccan coven there is no initiation as such but this does not mean that we disagree with the practice. If you are walking the Alexandrian/Gardnarian path then initiation is part and parcel of those traditions. Initiation is an integral and necessary course heading towards the completion of spiritual & magical training within the Alexandrian/Gardnarian coven. For those who do not choose that direction initiation has little or no relevance within there own selected path.
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Post by admin on May 6, 2004 9:26:43 GMT 1
Eliphas - can you take your discussion to the Gripes & Moans thread as suggested by ccstoop. You can argue to your heart's content in there.
Thanks.
bb Rhiannon
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Post by admin on May 6, 2004 9:30:18 GMT 1
In a Seax Wiccan coven there is no initiation as such but this does not mean that we disagree with the practice. If you are walking the Alexandrian/Gardnarian path then initiation is part and parcel of those traditions. Initiation is an integral and necessary course heading towards the completion of spiritual & magical training within the Alexandrian/Gardnarian coven. For those who do not choose that direction initiation has little or no relevance within there own selected path. Well said - people do get all hung up over initiation when really it only applies to a very small number of people and paths. I wonder why the obsession is? bb Rhiannon
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Post by IAN on May 6, 2004 15:05:30 GMT 1
I quite agree. In my humble opinion, i think it is because people want to feel that they belong and by becoming initiated they feel part of something. On the other hand i feel some like to be initiated purely for the 'I'm initiated, so obviously better and more knowledgeable than you' Maybe a better question to post would be dedication (group or individual), necessary or not, i think some may get slighty confused between initiation and dedication. See new post 'Dedication - necessary or not?'
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