Boojum
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Post by Boojum on Sept 26, 2007 20:30:06 GMT 1
What Rhiannon said. Be clear, according to the doctrine of the fundies, we are objectively worshipping Satan. Simply because we aren't worshipping their god. Remember that we're talking about people who genuinely believe that even atheists are following Satan in practise.
The most we can hope for from that particular group is for them to think that we're worshipping Satan through ignorance rather then design.
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hal
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Post by hal on Sept 27, 2007 9:25:27 GMT 1
in the bible doesnt it actually say to pelt unbelievers and magic users with stones well not using those exact words It used clever words which I currently cant remember since I Aint studyed the bible in a year :I If their holy book says that the best we can hope for is not to be pelted with stones
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Post by wyrdewood on Sept 27, 2007 10:26:50 GMT 1
I wouldn't worry too much about what it says in the bible. If you bear in mind the changes made by translators, unknown, for King Charles and his political ends, to remove power from the matriarchal wise women within the village communities, then you will realise that most Christians are following the word of the state and not of God. The last execution of a witch was in 1684, so I think we are safe. Besides, they are too busy throwing stones at each other. Anyone throws a stone at you and I would call the Police!
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duane
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Post by duane on Sept 27, 2007 12:45:29 GMT 1
but hal its more common to see christians use tarot cards and pratice mediumship then it is pagans. so if its anyone breeching the "holy bibles" law then christians are just as bad. as it does say that they arn't allowed to talk to the spirit world.
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Post by gwenifer on Sept 27, 2007 17:49:44 GMT 1
Duane, where do you get your information from? How do you know its more common for christians rather than pagans to use tarot cards? Catholics are more open to using tarot but not in huge numbers. I think you are generalising wildly here and should check your facts.
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Post by duane on Sept 28, 2007 9:16:53 GMT 1
eh? the numbers of the amount of christian and catholics using these things have incressed over the yrs and it is fact. it was said in a confrence the PA holded a while ago.
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hal
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Post by hal on Sept 28, 2007 9:28:31 GMT 1
ive never ever seen a christian use tarot cards infact everytime Ive seen a christian see tarot cards they where disgusted by them. Also I dont remember it saying in the bible about not talking to the sprit world its just considered taboo which is the reason why both christian and catholic Exorcism is only discussed and practiced behind closed doors anyway the moral of the story is true christians and catholics are to routed in their beliefs to be taught about paganism to a high degree we should just be happy they no longer want to burn us at the stake
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Post by gwenifer on Sept 28, 2007 11:31:43 GMT 1
Duane, there may be more 'christians' using tarot cards these days but I think it highly unlikely that there are more of them than pagans using them. Hal, historically it was more likely that catholics were burned to death not pagans. 'Witches' were hung drawn and quartered not burned at the stake. Few people realise that the 'Guy Fawkes' night bonfire is a throwback to when catholicism was so hated in this country catholics were often chased from their homes and their homes burned to the ground, sometimes the protestants didn't bother getting the catholics out of their homes before setting them on fire! Guy Fawkes was hung drawn and quartered, not burned.
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hal
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Post by hal on Sept 28, 2007 11:44:24 GMT 1
I thought it was women who spoke out against the men who got burned at the stake
any women who smoke about against the men where called devil worshipers and burned well so I read
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duane
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Post by duane on Sept 28, 2007 15:24:32 GMT 1
gwen i don't know where u get your information from, but its a fact that people that praticed "witchcraft" was burned at the stake. The last burning was 1792 in poland acording to this site. www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn2.htm that i'm not making this up!. and I only had to type the burning times. and the list doesn't actully stop there the burning may have stopped but practioners of witchcraft still get acused of satan worship. and if you read one paragraph it says that people were chased from there homes. catholics were just as bad as christians......
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Post by wyrdewood on Sept 28, 2007 16:02:16 GMT 1
Hal and Duane, you are referring to practises of execution in Europe, where burning was used. Often a person was hung first and then the corpse was burnt. However, correct me if I am wrong Gwen, we were talking about executions in England.
"In 1604, James I's new anti-witch law made hanging mandatory, introduced trial by torture and stressed the idea of a covenant with the devil as the central issue, more closely following the Catholic European approach. However, even James came to recognise the falsity of accusations. In the last 9 years of his reign, only 9 people were hanged. By this time, scepticism was more widespread, although some of the worst excesses of English witch hunting took place after this time, in 1645, in Essex, when Matthew Hopkins carried out numerous tortures and hangings."
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Post by duane on Sept 28, 2007 16:12:38 GMT 1
and burnings.
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Post by gwenifer on Sept 28, 2007 16:31:01 GMT 1
There were no burnings in England Duane, there were in Scotland but not here.
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Post by duane on Sept 28, 2007 16:32:04 GMT 1
where did I say in england?..... so now your admitting there was burnings?
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Post by merrybel on Sept 28, 2007 19:03:14 GMT 1
Duane, there were burnings in Scotland and in Europe, but not in England. Criminals were hung here. On the continent, if a "witch" admitted his/her crime, they were strangled before being burned. If they refused to confess, they were simply burned alive. We were not allowed to torture, either, as far as I know, except through sleep deprivation, but abroad (e.g the Inquisitions) they could use anything that got a confession.
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